<span class="gmail_quote">On 10/24/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">Andrew Baudouin</b> <<a href="mailto:andrewmb@gmail.com">andrewmb@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br>
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ACPI and laptop hardware has been supported better on Windows since before Linux distributions even thought about supporting it.</div></div></blockquote><div><br>
</div>Are you actually going to give well-thought out examples or just continue to spew opinions?<br>
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<div>Of the laptop toting XP users I have met they are
all amazed at how fast my desktop is ready, right where I left off I
might add, when I open the lid. I have used XP on several laptops and
in allot of instances(maybe caused by
some human) the laptop won't sleep and wake as I expect, instead
just "regular" shutdowns and starts ups, or worse the battery drains to
death while "sleeping." When they do hibernate it takes considerably
longer and that on machines about 3 times the speed of my own.<br>
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This wins the made-up statistics award for 2005.</div></div></blockquote><div><br>
Aren't 99% of all statistics made up on the spot? But it is sad that generalizations are too often accepted at face value. <br>
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</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div>You remind me of the
LSU/Les Miles bashers who invent things like "LSU was #1 in recruiting
under Nick Saban....The defense never gave up this many yards under
Nick Saban"</div></div></blockquote><div><br>
O.o *beware* mud puddle, slippery when wet.<br>
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The application icons never change position. As you open more programs they stack to the right. </div></div></blockquote><div> <br>
Icons do change place when a domain computer abruptly dies reverting to
an older copy of the profile, I see this every single day on multiple
PC's. NT, 2000, XP on seperate networks.<br>
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This is simply fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Name an open-source
application, and there is probably a windows build for it. </div>
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For the most you are correct, but doesn't that say something about the quality of those open source applications? <br>
The design surely must be more thought out. From the small differences
like system logging, to the larger like drawing to the windowing
system. They have to account for all types of systems they wish their
code to run on.<br>
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<div>GiMP,
gaIM, OpenOffice, X-Chat....all have windows builds. Infact, the
X=Chat developers insidiously charge money for the windows
builds. </div>
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Whats wrong with charging money for software? Build it yourself if you
think paying the authors or the builders is insidious. Sheesh, I decry
a hypocrite.<br>
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<div> Would you go as far as to say that those
applications have trojans?</div>
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You can audit the code your self if you fear that there may be malware
included. Not the case for closed source apps, or even closed source
freeware.<br>
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You better stop now while you're ahead.</div>
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Heh<br>
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Out of the box, XP does not<br>even include a spell checker. I need the red letters kmail and most other
<br>free text editors give me. I also want tools like a spreadsheet, iso writer,<br>compiler and so on. I was amazed to learn that XP Home does not include<br>programs, like flash, Real, Xine, xmms, noatum and so on, for watching movies
<br>or listening to music the way that Mepis does. The average person who really<br>uses their computer for work and play will have to dig up dozens of extra<br>applications. It would cost me hundreds of dollars to duplicate what Debian
<br>provides at no cost.</blockquote></span><div><br>
This is an outright lie.</div></div></blockquote><div><br>
How is that a lie?<br>
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Debian provides nothing. </div></div></blockquote><div><br>
Debian provides package management tools. Pretty good ones.<br>
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First of all, Winamp is free and that takes care of all of the aforementioned needs. </div></div></blockquote><div><br>
But Winamp doesn't come with XP either.<br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div> It is <span style="font-weight: bold;">actually easier</span>
to download the Winamp installation build from their website than use
Debian's apt-get utility. <br>
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Maybe so, maybe as easy, maybe not... if you put 2 computer-ignorant
people on PC's (XP & mepis) telling one to install Winamp and the
other to install xmms I would put my nickle on the mepis luser to
finish first. If you show them how to do it then ask them a week later
to do it again, I would still put my nickle on the mepis luser.<br>
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Why do you feel the need to make up things to support your argument?</div></div></blockquote><div><br>
Aren't 99% of all statistics made up on the spot? Its sad that
often generalizations can actually work to convince others.<br>
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You are free not to buy them if you don't want to. You are also
free to continue running Windows 95 if you choose to do so as well.</div></div></blockquote><div><br>
You must continue to run windows 95, unless you choose to upgrade or
cannot. Often apps only work on one specific system in which they were
built to run. This is one reason Microsoft has looked bad for breaking
so many apps with their service packs. Its also one of the reasons that
I read the installation documentation on important Windows only
applications.<br>
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Let's say you sold widgets and competed with a lot of other
companies who also sell widgets. WOuld you not do everything
legally and ethically possible to make sure everyone buys your and ONLY
YOUR widgets?</div></div>
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I would not, because there is nothing ethical about doing everything
legally possible to make sure everyone buys *only my* widgets. What you
describe sounds allot like Communism, and a bit like the essence of
Microsoft. In a free market I should do everything legally and
ethically possible to try to convince you that you want to buy my
widget and make sure you know if you have bought the widget which I
sell. To suggest that I(or my company) should do everything legally
& ethically possible to eliminate the choice of which widget
everyone can buy sounds socialist. <br>
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People who rant about this show their absolute lack of understanding of all things business-related.</div></div></blockquote><div><br>
Ranting does not show lack of understanding, maybe lack of self control and maybe overzealous conviction.<br>
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By the way, what do you make of all of the bugs and insecurities that
have showed up in Firefox now that it has reache dcritical mass?</div></div></blockquote><div><br>
Disclosed, therefore avoidable & likely to be fixed.<br>
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No "Linux" "has" ssh. </div></div></blockquote><div><br>
No windows has a mouse.<br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div>All require you to download from an
internet repository. </div></div></blockquote><div><br>
Most *nix distributions come with openssh installed just like most PC's come with a mouse.<br>
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Free softare is all about sharing, non free is all about sucking money. The<br>net result is that non free software is expensive and difficult to use where
<br>free software is cheap and easy.</blockquote></span><div><br>
You are a liar.</div></div></blockquote><div><br>
lol, you are a funny.<br>
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